Australian Values Statement

Posted On: Tue, 2008-05-13 00:24 by sitapati

Currently Param Satya is applying for permanent residency in Australia. She is on a bridging visa while she does this. Initially she was on a religious worker visa, sponsored by ISKCON in Brisbane.

It's taken almost two years since we first put the application in. A series of mishaps and lost documentation, the need to get documentation from Perú (a torturous affair), and the last minute addition of Prahlad and myself to the application have made it stretch out waaaaaay looooonger than it should have.

In the time since we initiated the process the process has changed. An "Australian Values" statement has been added to the application. I'm just printing it out now so that we can sign it and add it to the application form.

I mention this to underscore the point that I made in the analysis of Richard Dawkins vs Josef Al-Khattab - cultural diversity and multi-cultural integration are prominent themes in the environment today, as our globalized world increasingly flattens.

Rigid cultural inflexibility and especially proselytizing on the basis of cultural practices (what Al-Khattab was doing) is not acceptable to modern persons. However, you are free to retain your culture, and to adopt the cultural practices of others if you choose. This provides the window of opportunity to go in, and means that members of minority cultures, such as myself and Bhakta Corey (now initiated as Caitanya das BVKS), are free to practice our faith and live according to our cultural values within the host culture without being persecuted in countries such as Australia and the US.

We are free to retain our own culture, others can not challenge our right to practice our own culture, others have the right to adopt and participate in our culture.

The only restrictions are that we respect the rights of others to practice their own culture, and that we participate in the meta-culture of Australia as described in the statement below. It doesn't require us to break any of the four religious principles, so it is not incompatible with our spiritual practice.

If Krishna Consciousness really is superior, then it should be able to win on its own merits. We welcome a situation like the one described in the Australian Values, because it gives us a fair opportunity to compete in the open market of cultural ideas. Now it's just up to us to embody the principles.

Here's the Australian Values statement that we have to sign:

I confirm that I have read, or had explained to me, information provided by the Australian Government on Australian society and values.

I understand:

  • Australian society values respect for the freedom and dignity of the individual, freedom of religion, commitment to the rule of law, Parliamentary democracy, equality of men and women and a spirit of egalitarianism that embraces mutual respect, tolerance, fair play and compassion for those in need and pursuit of the public good;
  • Australian society values equality of opportunity for individuals, regardless of their race, religion or ethnic background;
  • the English language, as the national language, is an important unifying element of Australian society.

I undertake to respect these values of Australian society during my stay in Australia and to obey the laws of Australia.

I understand that, if I should seek to become an Australian citizen:

  • Australian citizenship is a shared identity, a common bond which unites all Australians while respecting their diversity;
  • Australian citizenship involves reciprocal rights and responsibilities. The responsibilities of Australian citizenship include obeying Australian laws, including those relating to voting at elections and serving on a jury.

If I meet the legal qualifications for becoming an Australian citizen and my application is approved I understand that I would have to pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people.

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Madhava Gosh I am glad you

Madhava Gosh   |   Tue, 2008-05-13 15:26

Madhava Gosh

I am glad you have come to this realization:

"Rigid cultural inflexibility and especially proselytizing on the basis of cultural practices (what Al-Khattab was doing) is not acceptable to modern persons"

and that you have acted upon it by acknowledging this:

"Australian society values respect for the freedom and dignity of the individual, freedom of religion, commitment to the rule of law, Parliamentary democracy, equality of men and women and a spirit of egalitarianism that embraces mutual respect, tolerance, fair play and compassion for those in need and pursuit of the public good;"

and thus understand why the "women are less intelligent" statements need to contextualized.

Another point is that while

sitapati   |   Tue, 2008-05-13 20:35

Another point is that while I respect the right of the Australian society to assert this, I also respect Srila Prabhupada's right to assert what he does in his books.

If we were going to annotate something, we should annotate the Australian values on the basis of Srila Prabhupada's books, not the other way around.

We have the right to retain our cultural understanding.

If you look at my preaching

sitapati   |   Tue, 2008-05-13 20:29

If you look at my preaching since I joined ISKCON, this has been my approach all along. It is not a new realization.

However, while this must be done, in order to put people in touch with Krishna Consciousness, this should not be done in Srila Prabhupada's books.

There are many ways that Srila Prabhupada's statements can be interpreted and presented, and no one of those ways should be integrated with the original text.

The original texts are now historical documents. Swami B.V. Tripurari's Bhagavad-gita commentary is mentioned by Amara prabhu as a Gita commentary "without offensive statements against women". Tripurari Maharaja wrote his own commentary, preaching in his way, and making reference to Srila Prabhupada's books. That's fair enough.

Putting it into the books is not. On principle, it should not be done. From a practical perspective, there is no way that you can find anyone, other than Srila Prabhupada himself, who will be accepted by everyone in ISKCON to write annotations.

Madhava Gosh >From a

Madhava Gosh   |   Wed, 2008-05-14 11:16

Madhava Gosh

>From a practical perspective, there is no way that you can find anyone, other than Srila Prabhupada himself, who will be accepted by everyone in ISKCON to write annotations.<

Hence the big "IF" in my post on the subject.

But evoking the "practical" in an discussion isn't fair -- you know that is my Achilles heel as I am obsessively practical.

A few questions and comments...

Amara dasa   |   Tue, 2008-05-13 21:18

Do you also object if the annotation is simply comprised of additional quotes from Srila Prabhupada that would help balance and clarify the issue in a positive way?

I hope your wife gets her permanent visa for Australia. Was your son born in Peru or is he Australian?

It's nice that Australia has a Values Statement for foreign nationals but I find it a little hypocritical since they do not give their own GLBT citizens the same equal rights and freedoms that other Australians are entitled to.

Whenever I write to Dandavats.com nowadays it is only a short paragraph or two and I always make sure not to mention gay issues or anything controversial. Still, my comments are always rejected so I don't really feel welcome in that cyber-community. My last submission was simply a "thanks" to Lalita Madhava for her nice posting!

I have no objection to

sitapati   |   Wed, 2008-05-14 01:47

I have no objection to commentaries at all. I read and appreciated your Tritiya Prakrti book and Swami Tripurari's Bhagavad-gita. These are both contemporary contributions to our rich Gaudiya Vaisnava tradition, arising from Srila Prabhupada's influence.

However, Srila Prabhupada's books should be left as they are. Further explanation can made, but it should be made in an author's own book. That's personal. I'm not going to write in your book - I might write about it (I will do a review at some point), but I'm not going to insert my own meta-commentary into it.

Prahlad was born in Peru, so we're a real International Society for Krishna Consciousness just within our family. :-)

If you look at the Values statement you can see generations of struggle to secure basic rights for different groups against repressive political and social regimes - parliamentary democracy and equal rights for men and women are two hard won social arrangements that alleviated a lot of problems. It is just a matter of time before more are added to that list.

Of course, every material arrangement has its drawbacks, and this society is far from perfect. The best society is a Krishna conscious one, regardless of the mechanics. At the same time some mechanics are more favorable for Krishna consciousness than others, and ultimately any social mechanism is worthless without KC, just as the body loses its value without the soul.

I haven't commented again on Dandavats so I don't know if I have fully gone over to the 'dark side', as Pandu prabhu put it. :-)

Sita-pati das

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